@Pantagrueliste @TillmannTaape , can you please check this "weight it" as TL for "leste"
TC Ils sescorchent & remplissent le toile cottonee & pour mieulx il fault adouber a la facon des corroyeurs affin quilz ne perdent point la plume leste Ladoub est alum & paste de farine
TL They are skinned & filled with cotton cloth. & even better, one needs to dress them in the fashion that curriers do, in order that they do not lose a feather, weight it. The dressing is alum & paste of flour.
I'm not sure the direct pronoun "it" is indispensable here. In the French, leste, comes without pronoun and seems to be part of a separate imperative clause.
Yes. I agree. Is it weight or weigh?
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I'm not sure the direct pronoun "it" is indispensable here. In the French, leste, comes without pronoun and seems to be part of a separate imperative clause.
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So, what would it be then? Like this: They are skinned & filled with cotton cloth. & even better, one needs to dress them in the fashion that curriers do, in order that they do not lose a feather. Weigh. The dressing is alum & paste of flour.
I just can't see how "weight" makes any sense.
I don't know the extent to which this verb is translatable to English. The other verb that comes to my mind is to "ballast," but I suspect it doesn't have the same metaphorical meaning than the French lester, which is used in many other contexts than shipbuilding. The generic meaning of lester is to add weight to something so that it stops moving. Shall we leave it in French with an editorial note?
Ah, so it may mean to balance the bird so it stands up. Could we do this: ...in order that they do not lose a feather. Ballast. The dressing is......
If you did write an ed note, what would it say - please reply here.
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I don't know the extent to which this verb is translatable to English. The other verb that comes to my mind is to "ballast," but I suspect it doesn't have the same metaphorical meaning than the French lester, which is used in many other contexts than shipbuilding. The generic meaning of lester is to add weight to something so that it stops moving. Shall we leave it in French with an editorial note?
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Could it mean weighing down the feathers with the paste or "dressing"? In that case the verb "to weight" would be appropriate, although still hard to read in English; "weigh" would imply assessing its weight which makes less sense to me.
Another possibility would be to read not "leste" but "l'esté", i.e. "in the summer" – this makes better grammatical sense of that slightly convoluted sentence, but I don't know that it makes much sense in terms of the process, unless he is talking about birds moulting or something.
Ah, I see, weighting the feathers to keep them from moving [i.e., falling out]. But the capital Ladoub makes one think it's not with the paste. So, I think this: n order that they do not lose a feather. Weight. The dressing is alum & paste of flour.
with an editorial note that says "This seems to mean that one weights down the feathers to keep them from falling out."
the paste could still be in place from the phrase "adouber a la facon des corroyeurs" earlier in the sentence
So we could translate
& even better, one needs to dress them in the fashion that curriers do, in order that they do not lose a feather, weight.* The dressing is alum & paste of flour.
With the ed note saying: "Weighting" here seems to mean weighing [without a "t"] down the feathers, likely with the aforementioned "dressing," to prevent them from falling out or being disturbed in the molding process.
yes, excellent.
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the paste could still be in place from the phrase "adouber a la facon des corroyeurs" earlier in the sentence
So we could translate
& even better, one needs to dress them in the fashion that curriers do, in order that they do not lose a feather, weight.* The dressing is alum & paste of flour.
With the ed note saying: "Weighting" here seems to mean weighing [without a "t"] down the feathers, likely with the aforementioned "dressing," to prevent them from falling out or being disturbed in the molding process.
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